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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: May 5, 2010 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: should they leave politics out of sports??

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2010/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&;page=Sarver-100504

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Poster: NBDriggers Date: May 5, 2010 1:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: should they leave politics out of sports??

Yes...to me, there's nothing so infuriating as having to endure a "National Anthem" before a sporting event. I don't want to sing praises to a Regime, I want to watch athletes compete. And "tributes to our troops" and other such trash usually make me want to leave. Let's keep Separation of Sports and State permanent.

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Poster: Edsel Date: May 5, 2010 12:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: should they leave politics out of sports??

Absolutely

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 5, 2010 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: should they leave politics out of sports??

why care about either pols or sports celebs, or what they're up to off the field or hall of legislature? why even read about it? but feel free to tape that article on your wall next to your farah fawcett poster, all ten of them

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: May 5, 2010 4:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: should they leave politics out of sports??

so, how do you know there are ten of them??? hmmmmm... LOL

This post was modified by RBNW....new and improved! on 2010-05-05 23:58:34

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: May 5, 2010 1:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: should they leave politics out of sports??

Anytime you can work in a Farrah Fawcet poster reference is always cause for small celebration. Excellent.

As to the issue at hand, being both a resident of Arizona AND married into a Hispanic family, I am quite biased. But should a professional sports team take sides on such a public platform? Not sure. I must say I always get rather perturbed when folks like Bono turn every public appearance into a holier-than-thou preach-a-thon. But, our favorite musicians also did not shy away from taking the occational political stance. To each his own. The teams are privately owned entities that are entitled to express whatever opinion they may have. If we don't like it, we don't have to watch.

As for politician's, Mando is right. These bozos on both sides have the ability to shape policy that affects our lives on many levels. We most definitely need to hold them accountable. If we aren't careful, the Merry Band O' Tea Baggers will soon be running things.

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Poster: cush212 Date: May 5, 2010 9:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: should they leave politics out of sports??

I think the Los Suns made a very important statement tonight (and won too!!! down with the evil Spurs) I chimed in about this a little bit, and this new law is just wrong! Gives any redneck cop a right to pull any of us over at any time... Yer skin don't have to be brown...

Otherwise, all my best to you all...

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 6, 2011 11:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: should they leave politics out of sports?? JON!!

*Bump* I did a forum search on Jon - cush212 and this thread is his last post. Anyone know how he's doing?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 5, 2010 1:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GOAT!

Greatest of All Time = Muhammad Ali.

I guess he should have left the politics alone, but they wouldn't leave him alone.

That said, "all the leather kids were loud"
It's only rock n roll
http://www.jambase.com/Articles/22568/My-Morning-Jacket-Video

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Poster: user unknown Date: May 5, 2010 3:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GOAT!

BD, Ali transcended the sports/religious/political world and became a true cultural icon of the time. For the sport fan, he was "The Greatest". For those of a more religious bent, he became somewhat a martyr persecuted for his beliefs. In the political arena, he became a beacon shining brightly on the anti-war movement and bringing that movement more into the mainstream. After all, he was no long haired hippy,he was the heavyweight champion of the world that was refusing to serve in the military on moral/ethical/religious beliefs.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 5, 2010 6:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GOAT!

Not to split hairs, and it may have been the "myth" that grew up around it, but at that earlier stage, I thought part of his stance was also to protest (rightly, IMHO), the disproportionate representation of low income (= blacks at the time) kids in the draft (ie, when there were coll defer's, etc., etc.)?

Hope GoP is doing well, wherever he is, even though we often tussled about this and that hereabouts (and "over there", with you, Bill...), and didn't see eye to eye on many issues...I suppose many of the newbies don't really even know him now that I think of it.

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Poster: user unknown Date: May 5, 2010 7:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GOAT!

"Not to split hairs, and it may have been the "myth" that grew up around it, but at that earlier stage, I thought part of his stance was also to protest (rightly, IMHO), the disproportionate representation of low income (= blacks at the time) kids in the draft (ie, when there were coll defer's, etc., etc.)?"

The way I understand it is those were Nation of Islam issues that Ali adopted as his own when he converted.

"Hope GoP is doing well, wherever he is, even though we often tussled about this and that hereabouts (and "over there", with you, Bill...), and didn't see eye to eye on many issues..."

+1

"I suppose many of the newbies don't really even know him now that I think of it."

that is a shame

Fred may know more about his "disappearance". She likes to stay on top of situations like that.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: May 5, 2010 1:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: should they leave politics out of sports??

Agree with your view regarding sports celebs or "celebs" of any flavor.

But pols? Hell yes you should care. We all should care, because if we don't care then we deserve what we get.

And what's coming really sucks.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 5, 2010 8:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: should they leave politics out of sports??

agreed mando, i didn't really spell it out the way i meant, as you stated ... just weary and tired of all the non-stuff that is more ego than anything else, celebrities, of any flavour, be damned; if celebs and their goings on are what you're into, have at it, but i'll still skewer and poke at will; cheers

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: May 6, 2010 7:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: should they leave politics out of sports??

Arb - Understood.

I pretty much hate all "celebrities" and could give a rat's ass whose gully Lindsay Lohan is yodelling in this week or which country Angelina Jolie is collecting her next child from.

But I hate professional, multi-term politicians even more and while I applaud those who can make the "Gandhi" approach work for them, I can't do it. If we only knew what these morons are doing to OUR country.....

I just finished reading "The Fourth Turning" by Neil Howe and Willaim Strauss. It is an outstanding exploration of generational and societal responses to cyclic human events - a generational High, an Awakening, an Unraveling (what we as young adults experienced) and a Crisis. We are entering the next generational crisis. Today's Millenials - my kids - are going to be the ones who lead us through the coming crisis.

And the fact that 99% of their generation cares more about what cool app they can get for their iPhone brain vacuums than what is happening in and to their country is not very encouraging.

Here's a link to a wiki on "Fourth Turning" - if you're up for a sobering read I'd strongly recommend the book to you and anyone else reading this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss_and_Howe

Thanks for the good discussion...peace my friend.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 5, 2010 3:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: should they leave politics out of sports??

Well, as usual, I am not so sure it's cut and dry as we'd all like it to be...our "heros" (sad, but true) are "involved" in some way shape and form with our lives...nobody was bothered by movie stars and sports figs raising $ for WWII, and that was certainly politics and sports/film industry mixing, right?

One could argue that the wearing of a black arm band for the death of a political figure is the right of a player (Stern et al. permitting of course), or team owner, or what have you...maybe the Suns are standing for "states rights" alone, who knows? Nor do I care--but, I'd say good ol Free Speech pretty much means Bono and all the rest can make me sick to my stomach as often as they like...No different than the DEAD doing a concert for this or that cause, right?

I suppose I come down on it being a "non-issue" in that I'd just as soon think about, maybe even address others along these lines:

How about getting "sports and education" divided first and foremost? (sorry, BD)...lets get separation of all the big $$ (politically linked/power) for most anybody with a cause, since frankly, once anyone is absolutely convinced they are right, they scare the beejeebers outta me...

That said, I hope the Suns win; better match up for the Lakers.

And, as Bill said: vote, and vote often. Please. Except for you, Dire--I think you want to elect Ted Nuggent for something other than road-kill collector, or am I confusing you with GoP on that one?

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Poster: user unknown Date: May 5, 2010 2:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: should they leave politics out of sports??

politics should be left out of everything except politics. As Mandojammer said, if we don't monitor and exercise our limited control(enfranchisement)on the political scene, we get exactly what we deserve. Vote...

if you pick a real winner say, "I told you so."

if you pick a real loser...bitch all you want

if you're to apathetic to get out and vote...STFU!

This post was modified by user unknown on 2010-05-05 21:49:41

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